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  History of the JW movement in Mexico

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  here is a fairly detailed article on the history of the movement in mexico.

  it's in spanish, but i passed it thru google translate and it does a pretty good job at translating the document.

  it's an article from one of the most prestigious universities in mexico.. being in a predominantly hispanic circuit, we have several brother and sisters from mexico who were witnesses under the conditions that existed back then.

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  moggy lover

  Thanks guys, I got it. Seems like a very good and scholarly article.
  
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  History of the JW movement in Mexico

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is a fairly detailed article on the history of the movement in mexico.

  it's in spanish, but i passed it thru google translate and it does a pretty good job at translating the document.

  it's an article from one of the most prestigious universities in mexico.. being in a predominantly hispanic circuit, we have several brother and sisters from mexico who were witnesses under the conditions that existed back then.

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  moggy lover

  How does one get a translation of the above article?
  
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  The Divine Name KJV?

  by problemaddict 2 in

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  please....this fb link that every jw in the world seems to be commenting on.

  it needs some responders.

  please take a look.. just search for "the divine name king james bible".

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  moggy lover

  An odd thing I have discovered, only by accident, and not by any objective scholarship, is the use of semantics when it comes to the application of the Tetragrammaton in theological discussions.

  The Watchtower, and its apologists, such as they are, use the expression "Divine Name" when this subject is broached.

  All other groups, who are unconnected with the Watchtower indicate a preference for the expression "Sacred Name". Indeed the movement that first coagulated around this controversy, members of whom were Churches of God followers instituted what is now generally referred to as the Sacred Name Movement.

  This movement began in an embryonic state around the turn of the last century with the name Yahweh first appearing in the first decade of the 1900s. At this same time the Watchtower was more concerned with insisting that the world as we know it would end in 1914.

  I have a copy of one of the SNM Bibles. It is in fact called the Sacred Name KJV.
  
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  Is there a difference between being pardoned or acquitted

  by Ucantnome in

  1. watchtower
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  in the new world translation of the holy scriptures (revised 2013) at romans 6:7 it uses the word 'acquitted'.

  in the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures (1985) it also has 'acquitted' and in the greek word for english word translation part in has 'has been justified' .

  the insight on the scriptures (1988) under the heading declare righteous page 803 talking about the original greek words that are translated as justify and justification and can be translated as declared righteous and pronounce righteous it says,.

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  moggy lover

  I think the basic problem here is the way Watchtower theology construes the expression "died" at Ro 6:7. In this view, Paul is making reference to the literal, fleshly death that persons experience at the termination of life. Such a death wipes away the stain of sin, and like a prisoner who has done his time and paid his dues, he no longer has to account for those sins, despite the fact that he has not repented of them. Simply the physical act of death is enough to absolve him, or "acquit" him as the NW "T" has it.
  

  In this view, a person who dies in sin, need have no further worries about its application, because when he is resurrected, his life is wiped clean and he is raised to life, to sin anew. Thus a person who, in the Watchtower sense has been resurrected into the post Armageddon world must now be judged on what he does with his future, and the new sins he commits. I believe this view to be wrong because:

  1. Death does not wipe away the effect of sin. Only the blood of Christ does this. While in this life one needs to accept this provision by a conscious decision, else he will "die in his sin" and its effects remain for all time.

  2. What sort of "death" is Paul talking about?. In this brief section Paul twice refers to "having died". In verse 2 Paul talks about us who are "dead to sin", and in verse 8, he speaks of us who "died with Christ", and both, like verse 7, in the past tense. The "death" that Paul is referring to, then, is something in our past, while we are still alive in the present.

  Humanity, according to Paul has one of two options:

  In the present we can be alive to sin, but dead to God. Or

  We can be dead to sin, and alive to God. Which is his preferred option.

  The word "acquitted" used here by the Watchtower translator[s], is interesting. As mentioned above the word is closely allied to the concept of "justification" or "declaring righteous", but most translators feel that that the analogy of slavery is pertinent. A slave owner had authority over a slave only while the latter was alive. But once that slave was dead, the owner no longer exercised any authority over him.

  Paul's analogy seems to be that once we are dead to sin, while we are physically alive, sin has no authority over us. Like a corpse is incapable of reacting to physical stimuli, so those who are dead to sin, remain [or at least struggle to remain] immune to its blandishments.

  NEB: "He is no longer answerable to sin"

  NJB "He has finished with sin"

  TEV: "Free from the power of sin"
  
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  Holy Spirit question

  by TweetieBird in

  1. watchtower
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  does the new world translation ever reference the holy spirit as a "him"?

  if not, does it refer to it as an "it"?.

  thanks!.

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  moggy lover

  The WT writers insist that the reason for this is because of a grammatical necessity. NT Greek is not a sex-gender receptive language like English, it is rather, an analytical one which references nouns according compartmentalizations called "declensions".
  

  Now the result of all this effects pronouns. Any pronoun modifying a neuter noun would have to be "it", whether the sex of the noun is feminine or not. Hence the word for "child" in Greek is παιδιον a neuter noun. The pronoun that modifies this noun is therefore "it".

  Compare two interlinears, the first is KIT and the second is McReynolds at Matt 2:21 where the Child referred to is Jesus:
  

  Το... παιδιον και την μητερα αὐτου
  

  The child and the mother...... of it
  

  The child and the mother of ....Him.

  So, whereas the KIT has no qualms in calling Jesus an "it", most other interlinears refuse to do so.

  The same thing happens at John 16. The original noun referent is "parakletos" which is a masculine noun. Thus, according to the NW "T" any pronoun modifying it must be masculine:

  KIT again [Jo 16:7]

  Παρακλητος..............πεμψω..........αὐτον

  paraclete................I will send........him

  Thus, as far as the NW "T" is concerned, it is not the Holy Spirit who is called "him" but this masculine noun "paracletos". They do not believe that by using "him" here, they are endorsing the idea of personality being ascribed to the Holy Spirit.
  
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  NH Knorr and his marriage

  by moggy lover in

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  i have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of nh knorr to audrey monk [i think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham.

  but does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?

  did knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds?

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  Thanks guys, I am glad I got the facts right. I had heard that Audrey Mock [Knorr Hyde] died recently and that she was a good and decent person.

  But Knorr? Well, that is a different thread.
  
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  NH Knorr and his marriage

  by moggy lover in

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  i have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of nh knorr to audrey monk [i think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham.

  but does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?

  did knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds?

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  moggy lover

  I have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of NH Knorr to Audrey Monk [I think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham. But does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?

  Did Knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds? Was the marriage one that ended in separation, or did she suffer in silence and stay with him till his death?

  I believe she married again but was Knorr alive at the time?

  And finally, have any photos been published with the two together?
  
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  2014 Pew Research on US Religion

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the pew survey i've been reading is quite lengthy, but filled with interesting information.

  it really explains a lot of the social issues.

  impact of little education, donation issues, the issues of women finding marriage partners.

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  moggy lover

  I believe there is a section on retention rates for those born in their various religions. The largest retention rate is found more in the Eastern Patriarchal religions such as the Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists. It is 95%.

  Among the Christian denominations, the Catholics and Mormons have the highest retention rates, about 90% while the JWs compare very unfavourably. Their retention rate for those born in the religion is just 34%.

  What I think is more alarming is the age fluctuation. Seven years ago, when the last report was published, 18% of the JWs were aged 18-30. This has dropped to 15% this time around.

  At the same time however, the aged population within the movement has grown from 17% in 2007, to 23% in 2014. The Watchtower is slowly morphing into a religion of geriatrics.
  
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  2015 March 17, BOE!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2015 march 17, boe.

  (this boe goes along with the march 15 boe concerning circuit overseer visits)... click the link below and then click the green download button.. .. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/29sj8bh.

  .. .. atlantis!.

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  moggy lover

  Great job, as always , pal.

  Blessings
  
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  Do you know any books written by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found once a list on the internet on novels about the new world written by jehovah's witnesses.

  don't seam to find it anymore.

  does any of you happen to know any novels about the new world?

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  Visions of Glory

  This is the autobiographical account of Barbara Grizutti Harrison [1934 - 2002] from her conversion to the Watchtower Faith at age nine, down to her time at Brooklyn Bethel and her eventual disillusionment with the movement.